Satire, Sarcasm, Hypocrisy

Legal matters related to prostitution can mirror a lot of informations about a country's judiciary, integrity, and even the quality of its population.

There are countries where prostitution is legal, countries where prostitution is illegal, and countries where prostitution is illegal but tolerated.

1) Countries where prostitution is legal, for example Germany
In Germany prostitution is a legal business. It is not a normal business, it is a very special business. Persons pretending that prostitution is a normal service business, and furthermore one of the oldest professions, are hypocrites in my eyes. Unfortunately it does not matter, if it is legal or illegal, there are always the very special problems linked to this business. Of course prostitution was not always legal in Germany. Cynics say, that the final kick to legalise it was given by the ministry of finance. Oh yes, a legal business, means a legal income, means taxation of income. May be law enforcement of the police is meanwhile replaced by activities of revenue departments against tax fraud. :)
In my opinion it was the right decision, and a good development, to legalise prostitution in countries like the Netherlands, France, Germany for ex. .
But what made this development possible? Well, persons simply fought for their interests against a legislation which made no sense any more. There is the point, that legalisation of prostitution makes crimes against humanity easier. There are i.e. crimes like human trafficking, abuse of children, sexual slavery. Well, a good judiciary of a civilized country does not need to prohibited prostitution to fight these crimes.

2) Countries where prostitution is illegal, for example USA
There are typical (US American) WASPs among my closest friends. WASP stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. ;) The hypocrisy and smugness of these guys and their government can drive me hot sometimes. They can drive me hot, because I like them.
As the USA are not a failed nation, there should be no doubt that laws must be enforced. There cannot be a double standard or an undefined tolerance which would end up in arbitrary. Laws are made, modified, and abolished by elected representatives representing the will of the people. Well, simply let your representatives know that you do not want to have a prohibition of prostitution any more, that you want to have the business legalised, not in Nevada, only. But then, there is a problem, -- standing for a legalisation of prostitution is not opportune. It is not opportune for a good patriot having a perfect morality. We are against prostitution, but we go to prostitutes. We stand for freedom and democracy, but we support some of the most undemocratic regimes. It is always interesting for me to read advices and experiences of US escorts in the forum. Legal practice and finally justice is influenced by an enormous formalism. Keep in mind, money is for time and companionship, only. The fuck reviewed by the client on a website was my intimate privacy. :)
Furthermore the lady is not paid, she receives donations which are not negotiable.

3) Countries where prostitution is illegal, but tolerated, for example Thailand
I have caught the incurable Thai fever when I have been there for the first time. At my first time in Thailand I was three years old and my parents and me stayed for four years. Soon I will have twenty years Thailand complete.
Prostitution is illegal in Thailand since 1960. The related laws have been reworked a couple of times, but it is not legal. Arrogant foreigners point a finger at Thailand and let other persons know about such an incredible situation, "what a failed country". In my opinion Thailand is not more failed than the USA concerning this topic. The Thai government has prohibited prostitution on pressure of the USA in reality and the WHO/UN officially. A parliament was not necessary. At that time Thailand was ruled by a junta under FM Sarit who did his American WASP friends a favour. Later Thailand was less or more encouraged to water these laws down (accommodating US requests). Rest and Recreation of US GIs was more important than Thailand's reliability concerning its legal system. R&R created this special business exclusively for foreigners and established a negative reputation. Thais are smart. Originally it is not their law, that is why they have their own style of law enforcement. About five years ago there was a very good discussion and debate about a legalisation of prostitution in Thailand. It was not legalized and LE is "on demand". ;) Both has reasons.

Nice post!

Personally, I share the same observation that in countries where prostitution is illegal like my country, authorities especially legislators, doesn't want prostitution legalized or if ever they may want so...they simply doesn't want to act on it. Yet for sure, some if not majority of them go to these prostitutes for their services. And this can be viewed as hypocrisy on their part. Though illegal, they simply tolerates it for somehow, it can contribute to the economy.

For some countries where prostitution is illegal, one major reason why they could not legalize the business is their religious beliefs and doctrines. For example, Christian-dominated countries would really find difficulty in legalizing said prostitution because it runs counter to Christian doctrines and beliefs. For an authority or legislator in these countries to push for it, is not a sane act from the point of view of their Christian constituents, which might contribute to the official's downfall later on in the coming elections. In other words, It's taboo!

To wrap-up my point, HYPOCRISY can likewise be tolerated in some countries, due to reasons presented as in the same way prostitution is tolerated in countries where it is prohibited.

Thanks luli123, for the information worth thinking and, assessing or researching the other reasons why? You maybe right! I've limited my reference on countries which I know best like my country the Phillipipines, when I posted that comment. Anyway, that's just one reason cited. Maybe the other factors or reasons cited have bigger influence or so, like in my country. Or maybe, the mentality towards the subject or understanding and firm belief is different, by the people especially political leaders and legislators of the countries cited.

Today, I've been wondering (just personally) why these large christian-catholic dominated countries you've mentioned can pass laws of this kind in their country while our small country-their pupil can not? Spain handled us for over 400 years and implanted in us Christianity which we are thankful anyway. That is why I would better go to the other reasons cited in my earlier post, than unearthing anything and speaking what I could think of...

No debate anyway!

Thanks dohm!
may be we can have a discussion about the situation on the Philippines, first?
Can it be that religious reasons are abused, only? Let's think about the consequences of a fictive legalisation (positive and negative).

Debates are not bad, I like debating. I do not like gossip, phrases, and selfishness.

Hi Luli123,

You're maybe a good and knowledgeable person on real issues and it is nice to be discussing with you. I observed you're a discussant and you love good and sane discussions. I like it too, particularly on the present subject and anything later on. I would rather suggest that we use our personal email ad in our communications so as not to possibly create trouble "by monopoly" or "out of context" in this escort-related forum discussions.

Thank you.

Dohm

I find this post a very good read- a very interesting topic and an exchange of opinions between two very intelligent gentlemen. Hello to you both. :)

If i may add, clearly the difference between those countries which are Catholic-dominated and the Philippines are the distinction of the roles of the church and the state. In those countries that Luli123 mentioned, the government is very much left to do what is best for the country without too much meddling or intervention from the church. Whereas here in the Philippines, the government can barely draft anything without the approval of the righteous. One example is the bill for the Reproductive Health. It has taken too much heat and criticism from the church even if it would obviously do a lot of good.

Anyway, just want to make it clear that i don't have any stand against or in favor of legalising prostitution, more so against the church for that matter. It was just a mere observation brought about by this rather curious topic.

Cheers!

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A very rational and pragmatic approach indeed. Very so often, we see forum topics spark some heated debates. We certainly don't want that to happen here. :)

I dont think legal really help. I can promise you even though brothels are legal in austrailia there is still MANY thai and other girls who are lured there have they passports taken and receive very little if any of what they were promised. In some ways making it legal only make it harder to protect the girls. In thailand for example even though it not legal if you not pay as promised I can call the police and he will tell you pay me or take you to jail.......yes I promise you this is true. Escorts can go to jail here to but they usually have drugs or gambling or too open. Men who want to meet girls here and go out and go to hotel have no worry any from police.

to what I was saying before. I have personal been offerd jobs liek this in austrailia and told all visa all flight all where I stay and eat free and garuntee I come back thailand six months no less 1 million baht. Trust me if this was even close to true thailand would be left with men only.

hahahahah men form England too have offered me to stay in their home free and work escort if I just give them free sex 2 times a week. geeeez some you guys try anything.

In Asia, the main characteristic of the region is the very big discrepancy between the laws which exist on the books and what occurs in practice. For example, in Thailand prostitution is illegal, but in practice it is tolerated and regulated, and the country is a destination for sex tourism. Such situations are common in many Asian countries. In these countries there is a very strong double standard: while it is considered acceptable for men to use the services of the prostitutes, the prostitutes themselves are stigmatized by the whole society, as "respectable" women are expected to refrain from sexual activity until marriage

Thanks Dani, well stated!
But we should be more exact in our discussion. For ex. Singapore is in Asia, too. Prostitution is legal there, corruption is extremely low, laws are well respected, and enforced. The more corruption exists in a country the more LE is arbitrary. Can we say like this?
What about the thesis, that it is well requested holding providers in a weak position? A discussion about legalisation can have two approaches.
The first one is, prostitution exists. So let's discuss about its legalisation. The second one is, it is illegal, it exists, and it is fine for us as it is.

Finally what about the thesis, if a legalisation is to be discussed, then it must be discussed either, why persons are working in this business?
How much is prostitution a result of a failed or not existing social policy or understanding of a society? Aren't there the persons who rule and the persons who serve. Or the persons who make the money and the persons who earn the money? Ok, enough provocation, just some ideas.

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